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Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« on: March 06, 2006, 12:14:46 AM »

I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET!!!

Okay, you better sit down for this one.






Snape.  Offered.  All.  His.  Thoughts.  For.  Dumbledore's.  Inspection.

This is the ONLY explanation that makes sense.  Years ago Snape, in a fit of remorse after being responsible for Lily's death, offered to let Dumbledore read him like an open book at any/all times.  (Maybe through the Pensieve?)

This connection is what makes Dumbledore trust Snape implicitly.
This connection is how the two were able to communicate on the night of Dumbledore's death.


And now that things are coming to a head, Snape needs to be placed at the front of the line with YKW.  So.... Dumbledore comes up with a plan to get Snape out of the school and into YKW's perfect good graces without making anyone suspicious.  Perfect.



Don't even try to tell me Dumbledore is really dead.  You heard the phoenix.
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Re: Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2006, 11:10:35 AM »

Great idea, Susan! And you HAVE been to http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/ , right????
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Re: Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2006, 03:41:47 PM »

That's an interesting explanation for the trust, Susan! I hadn't thought of it before, but it sure makes sense.

But then again, is Snape an accomplished enough ... um ... whateverns... to be able to keep some of his deepest thoughts private?
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2006, 06:35:56 PM »

Precisely my question, Ping.  He is an accomplished occlumens.  The question is, how good is he at it (good enough to fool either/both Dumbledore and LV?), and which way does he use it?  Could not the same idea be turned toward why LV trusts Snape so completely?

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Re: Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2006, 07:17:44 AM »

Hmmm, interesting. Definitely a possibility. It might also explain why Snape got so upset at Harry's insinuation that he was a coward, because it'd take a lot more courage than I want to think about to let Voldy into your head. *shudder*
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2006, 12:37:56 PM »

True.  Here's another thought:  when Snape was supposed to be teaching Harry occlumency, he was unable (or perhaps just unwilling?) to set aside his hatred for Harry.  That was part of why it didn't work.  Granted, Harry wasn't able to set aside his for Snape, either, so they're even on that score.  But even with all his skill, Harry got into Snape's thoughts for a while.

Based on that, is Snape really that good at occlumency?  Or is Harry just that powerful (albeit unknowingly and in an uncontrolled manner)?
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 12:55:28 PM »

I thought the only time he got into Snape's thoughts was when he hopped into the Penseive?
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2006, 01:16:56 PM »

No.  At one point during the occlumency lessons, Harry uses a shield charm (or something like that) and suddenly sees images of a greasy-haired kid in the corner whose parents are fighting (something like that, I don't recall) - it might have been a series of images.  It's in book 5 is all I remember.  Harry is shaken up by it because he realizes that he has just seen Snape's thoughts.  (I think).
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2006, 01:23:48 PM »

If only book 5 didn't have so much yelling, I might re-read it. :D

I wonder if that was just luck. There's been no indication that he's particularly skilled in this mental arena.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 01:35:54 PM »

Yeah.  I'm with you on that yelling thing.  I'll have to see if I can find the passage and either post it here or at least post the page number here.
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Re: Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 03:34:44 AM »

First of all, I LOVE the theory.  I'm all for accepting ANYTHING that would let my mind believe Dumbledore is alive.  My mind simply can't cope with his death... kind of pitiful, actually, that I can't cope with a book character's death...

I just finished book 6 again, and I know it's unconventional, but I'll start book 5 again soon.  I'm hoping this new method of reverse-reading will help find some new clues... I've simply read them the right way too many times, so I'm trying something new.

It could take me a few days to get to that specific Occulemency (spelling?) lesson when Harry gets into Snape's mind, but I'll let you know when I do find it.

Again, I love the theory, and would be more than happy to read any more proof that turns up, as well as keeping my eyes open to find some more!
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 09:35:35 AM »

SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *tackle hug*

Let us know what you find. I'm curious, and my books are still in boxes. :)
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Re: Dumbledore's Trust. Sit down for this one
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2006, 02:37:21 AM »

Well, it turns out my younger sister has just finished up book 4.  I'm excited to have her reading the books, so I couldn't tell her no to using my book 5.  I'll have to wait until she's done to start...

*mutters something about having to read a book for college and writing a 5 page essay anyway...*
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