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Animagus vs Transfiguration
« on: June 21, 2004, 08:18:39 PM »

Is being Animagus a special type of Transfiguration (possibly the most difficult, which is why there are so few people who can actually do it?)? or is it something else altogether? Is tranfiguration changing one thing into something else that isn't yourself, and being animagus deals with changing your own form?

I'm a bit confused about this and the way they seem to be used interchangibly in the Animagus thread. Should I have posted this question there instead of as a new thread?
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2004, 12:28:37 PM »

Excellent idea in starting this thread, Ro! I'll go get some facts from over there that I've collected and post them here in a second.  ;)

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Is transfiguring and Animagi the same thing? I've always thought that McGonagall was a transfiguration...because remember when Hermione checked the list and only like 11 people were on the Ministrys list of registered Animagi? Well, I just think that Professor McGonagall would be on that list, don't you? But Hermione probably would've realised that and like, pointed it out or something...I know you can transfigure yourself into anything, a statue for that matter! But Animagi, I think anyway, is a totally different thing!
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2004, 01:23:23 PM »

I guess I thought (or at least always assumed) that MacGonagall was on that list, Morgan.  Why do you think she wasn't?

And, yes, I presume that being an animagus is a kind of transfiguration, but more complex and difficult because it's yourself and not something else that you're working on.  Again, recall MacGonagall transfiguring into and out of cat-hood in front of the class.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2004, 01:32:34 PM »

Well, when Hermione looks at the list, you'd think that she'd say something like, "Oh! Mrs. McGonagall's an animagi!" Or something...I don't know...

Maybe it's just a branch off of Transfiguration, because then it wouldn't be completely the same thing, it would be a lot more complex, and it's not Transfiguration entirely, because Tranfiguration allows you to turn yourself into anything (a picture frame if you like), where as Anamagi is simply turning yourself into a creature and creature only...
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2004, 01:33:57 PM »

when did she look up the list? because, if it was after their first class with her, then it wouldn't have come as a surprise...
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2004, 01:40:16 PM »

Oh, guess I never thought about that...  ::) JKR never said when exactly it was, but I'm assuming it was sometime in the 3rd book, because she looked it up when Harry said, "Perhaps she could be bugging..." or somethiing like that. And Hermione said, "There are only 11 people who are registered animagi in all of Great Britain!" or something like that when Lupin and Sirius were in the Shrieking Shack explaining everything, and they tell her about the 3 unregistered animagi at Hogwarts.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2004, 03:22:44 PM »

It was in book 4, and at the beginning of book 3 is when MacGonagall did her transfiguring act in front of the class.  
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2004, 03:57:32 PM »

Didn't she do it in book 1? I remember from the movie that she was on the desk as a cat and Harry & Ron are late, and she transforms...am I in the right book?
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2004, 10:20:27 PM »

Right movie, wrong book.  

She transfigures in the beginning of book 1, but the students don't see it.  It's while she's sitting on the Dursleys' wall.  At the beginning of book 3 is when she does it for the students, right after Trelawney's first class.  
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 12:12:58 PM »

Oh, okay...I remember the movie. ;) Thanks Cho.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 12:59:05 PM »

The reason Hermione looked up the list of registered Animagi was BECAUSE McGonagall is one and showed them.  She looked up the list and found the other ten names on it besides McGonagalls.

I think that a wizard can't transfigure himself into anything.  Just other things.  From what Lupin said in the books, becoming an Animagi is a very difficult thing to do.  I always assumed that it involved a very complex spell that you learned and cast once, and if you did it right you took an animal form, and could thereafter change back and forth at will.  I didn't figure you were casting the spell every time you changed, so that would make it somewhat different than regular transfiguration.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 01:06:55 PM »

I'd like to know who the other 10 registered Animagi are.  Do'ya think we've met any of them yet?  I'd say it's a safe bet we have.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2004, 01:20:25 PM »

Good theory, Mad! That would support my theory that Anamagi and Transfiguration are two different things.  :D

I don't think we've met them yet...I don't know if we ever will, it could be one of those unanswered quetsions...
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2004, 09:22:24 AM »

Interesting point indeed, Mad.  Take 7 for that.  I admit that that is how I've thought about it -- that it's not casting a spell each time but it's casting one spell that makes you able to transfigure at will. 

But if it's not transfigurations, what is it?  Charms?  Some subject we've never seen before?
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2004, 11:03:47 AM »

Okay, I think it's a branch off of transfiguration, so that it's not the normal transfiguration, but it has something to do with that...sort of like, Charms is a branch off of spells, get what I mean?  ???
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2004, 01:34:36 PM »

I suppose the spell to make you an Animagus is a Transfiguration spell.  It transfigures you into an Animagus, permanantly.   :laugh:  That might be why it's so hard.  But I do think that once you're changed, it's not necessarily "magic" (or at least not a spell) that changes you back and forth.  It's something that your new state of being allows you to do.  Does that make sense?
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2004, 02:12:25 PM »

It makes perfect sense Mad.  ;)

I think it's like, just a thought, "I want to be a dog". Perhaps Sirius would think that, and he'd turn into the black dog, or something like that...it's a thought of the mind.  ;D
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2004, 11:29:31 PM »

Okay, here's a silly analogy, but it works.  Think about someone who learns how to wiggle their ears.  It takes a lot of effort and control to figure out how to do it, but once they've learned it, then it can just be done at will, without even thinking much about it or trying real hard.  I imagine that is what it's like to be an animagus:  lots of work to get to that point, but once you get there, then it's easy.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2004, 11:31:12 AM »

Yeah, and it's sort of a natural ability. Once you do it several times it's very simple.  ^-^
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2004, 04:50:47 PM »

Oh, and I was re-reading recently looking for trivia answers, and Hermione says there have only been seven registered Animagi this century.  We don't know if the other six are all alive.  It makes me very curious how many unregistered Animagi there are running around, however, because we know of at least four.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2004, 04:54:42 PM »

We do?  Now, you mean, or before book 5??  Let's see:  Wormtail, Rita, ... who else?
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2004, 05:17:41 PM »

James and Sirius! Wormtail too, but you mentioned him already;)
they learned how to be animagus so they could go see Lupin while he was a warewolf! I believe they weren't registered...

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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2004, 05:21:01 PM »

Well, it would be before because of James & Sirius who are dead now..  ::)

That's all 4! Rita, Peter, James, and Sirius!
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2004, 05:28:00 PM »

Eherm, yes.   :-[  I suppose only two are still "running around," but you know what I meant.  We know of four unregistered Animagi this century compared to seven registered.  That seems like a really large number, comparatively.  More than half again unregistered.  (Does that make sense?)
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2004, 05:30:43 PM »

Yes.  I do understand.  So that means either that they're getting better and teaching Transfiguration such that people can just do it more easily on their own, or we just had a particularly bright batch of witches and wizards this century.
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2004, 05:35:40 PM »

Or perhaps it's as simple as "desperate times call for desperate measures?"
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2004, 06:15:06 PM »

Huh?  How do you mean?  I hardly call figuring out how to transform into an animal so I can romp around with my werewolf buddy "desperate times."  And then there's Rita, who's just determined to be an annoying gossip-monger.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2004, 07:49:29 PM »

Well, the sad part is that there used to be 50/50 animagus....James and Sirius were good  :angel: , but Wormtail was bad, and Rita was bad with her writing and such...  >:D

Well, hopefully they'll get help because being anamagi is very helpful to spy on the other side and such.  ^-^
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2004, 01:44:03 AM »

True, Cho.  I guess I was thinking "with Voldemort around there will be more (what have you) cropping up."  It may be true, but only in the comic book fashion.  (Ie when a superhero is created a super villian is also created, and vice versa.)  In other words, only because it's fiction.  And frankly, that's a pretty lame arguement to bring up in this kind of thread.   ::)  Sorry.  I take it back.

Three of the four were James and Sirius, and by association Peter, though, and that's got to be an unusual circumstance.

Question: Fred and George are extremely clever jokers, too.  Any chance they'll become Animagi?  True, they don't have any werewolf friends or anything, but they might just do it for pranks.  I wouldn't be surprised.
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2004, 03:36:49 PM »

Good thought on that one, actually.  If anyone would do it, I would see them doing it.  They're not above trying out experimental treats on themselves, and I could see them fiercely wanting to be useful to the Order.
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2004, 09:18:10 PM »

My personal opinion:

Becoming an Animagus is a highly specialized spell from Transfiguration.  It's a one-time use, and if it works, then you can transform at will.  If not...::shrugs:: we haven't dealt with that yet.

Besides, was i the only one who was a little ticked at the Ministry for not keeping a tighter check on who was an Animagus?  It just goes to show you how sloppy Fudge got.

Finally, I'm more than willing to bet that the Weasley twins will become Animagi, and that Harry will too.  What's in question is the forms they'll take.
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2004, 10:05:01 PM »

I don't think it's really a sign of a slipping Ministry that they didn't know about the Mauraders. Fudge was probably still in school at the time, not minister. Someone else was in charge.

I would assume that, normally, one becomes an animagus following strict guidelines, with supervision in case something goes wrong. That would make it pretty easy for the Ministry to track. However, James and Co. did it on their own, so there was a lack of the normal procedures, so there was no way for the Ministry to know if they didn't inform them on their own.
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2004, 11:16:41 AM »

Ah, but what about Rita Skeeter?  How did she get away with it?
That, I think, is something that quite a few people have been bothered by.

Granted, Fudge might have been in school...perhaps I should have said, "how sloppy the Ministry was getting".
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2004, 10:09:03 AM »

I'm not too sure about there being a lot more unregistered Animagi ... I mean, the Marauders can't really count, since they had extra motivation that nobody else would have (Lupin being a werewolf). They did it for him because it was the only 'solution' they could think of. Rita may have been the only one who thought, "Hey, why don't I become an Animagi, then I'll be able to spy on people!"

Or at least one of the very, very few who thought that.

Er, hopefully that makes sense. I dunno, I just think it's a bit farfetched to say that there'd be a lot of other unregistered Animagi, because  the Marauders were in a rather special situation when they tried it ...
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Re: Animagus vs Transfiguration
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2004, 11:05:57 AM »

Yeah, I think Harry's whole story is a bit, well, special.  I kind of doubt that the people he tends to run into are representative of the "normal" wizarding population.  Most normal folk probably just go about their everyday lives. 

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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2004, 08:37:21 AM »

I think, Cho, that the one exception might be Ron's family. They seem pretty typical. Even Fred and George and their antics are fairly typical of teenagers. They seem to keep Harry grounded.
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2004, 07:30:56 PM »

Well, someone has to, otherwise he wouldn't really have anyone to talk to, now would he?  It'd be nasty if everyone were either like Draco, making fun of his fame, or like Collin Creevy, following him around with "HERO-WORSHIP" practically painted on his forehead.

I have to say that I like Mr. Weasley's use of enchanted Muggle items...that's just plain cool.
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