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amandahilary

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hogsmeade fair or not
« on: June 05, 2004, 08:32:12 PM »

ok so in the third book harry is not aloud to go to hogsmeade becuse he hs to haveparent orguardian sinater faire or not
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2004, 11:00:35 PM »

It is entirely fair.  It's not up to the school to decide things like that.  Some parents doubtless would not want their children going into Hogsmeade for very good reasons.  Perhaps the child obviously needed more study time to improve poor marks.  Perhaps the child couldn't hold on to a knut if he tried, and the parents simply couldn't afford to pay for all the things he'd buy (assuming he's able to buy on some form of credit.)  Perhaps they don't approve of certain people/establishments in the town and don't trust their child to avoid them because they've been asked.

The bottom line is that it is a school rule.  If the school rule is unfair, that is another matter.  Still, the rule stands, and Harry's guardians did not sign the form.  Therefore it would be unfair to make a special exception for Harry.  (Besides, he's the one who lost his temper and blew up Aunt Marge.)
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2004, 10:22:34 AM »

In all fairness, too, part of the reason he wasn't allowed to go had little to do with the form and much to do wit the fact that an escaped killer was supposedly out to kill him. 
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 09:21:16 PM »

Look at it this way:  don't you have to get a signed permission form to go on some class field trips?

Also, remember the rather unsavory types who like to hang around near Hogsmeade?  Do we really want students getting involved with them?  That's also a reason for the age-limit.  First-years would just get swallowed up by characters like those.

Finally, I doubt that Harry would have been allowed to go, even if his form had been signed.  After all, there was someone supposedly out to kill him.  He would have been left behind anyway.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 03:02:19 AM »

*blinks*

I thought the permission form thing was perfectly normal. I mean, here we had to submit signed permission forms (to which the school would attach a lengthy explanation about the trip in question) to go anywhere, even a science centre down the road. It makes sense for Hogwarts to make students obtain their parents' permission before allowing them off school grounds.

It's a rule, just like every other. You have to be a second-year to be allowed a broom, you're only allowed to pick one of three species as a pet, you have to wear a uniform, etc.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 04:03:13 AM »

I think it's fair, though I can understand why Harry doesn't think so.  All of his friends get to go, and it isn't his fault that his Uncle and Aunt are so... Dursley-ish. 
However, rules are rules.  Harry should have learned by nowthat even he is not above the rules, though he does seem to bend them as far as he can.  He should just be glad that it's only one form that needs signing.  On my trips in high school, we had at least half a dozen, and three of them ended like this... *pulls out old folder, and rumages until she finds one*
"Participation in this activity could result in injury or DEATH.  The school, and any groups affiliated with this trip, are not accountable for any injury or DEATH that may occur during a student's participation."
Though perhaps that would be more fitting, given the circumstances.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2004, 08:07:33 PM »

NOT FAIR.. the school KNOWS he has no one to sign the permission slip.. I mean.. y not let him go..
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2004, 10:16:22 PM »

Um, perhaps because they think some crazed murderer has broken out of Azkaban to come after him and kill him?  Just a thought.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2004, 10:28:32 PM »

I think it's fair.I mean if thier parents don't want them to go why should the school go against their wishes?
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2004, 07:57:15 AM »

Technically, Harry doesn't have 'no one' to sign his slip. He's got his guardians, the Dursleys; they just didn't sign it to make him suffer.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2004, 09:30:56 PM »

Yeah, I crazed murderer OK look there's People  :police:EVERYWHERE :police: in Hogsmeade.. He has ppl watching for this guy i mean he's  :police:wanted :police: what do you expect?! :-\ ???
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2004, 01:15:28 PM »

I'm sorry, but I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Could you edit your post using standard English?

Also, could you please not use your signature as some sort of strange personal ad? Or at least use standard English for it?
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2004, 02:51:07 PM »

I agree with Ping , its hard to read and don't I understand it
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 01:54:43 AM »

Sorry..being hypocritical again.. I was saying, that a wanted man is after him.. there's authorities EVERYWHERE.. such as police perhaps :police:
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2005, 09:39:16 PM »

I'll probably end up just repeating what everyone else said.  It's fair that he wasn't allowed to go.  The school is incharge of him while he's away from home.  If something happens to him while he's there, they have to take care of him.  Also have some crazed madman is after him as well.

Sure with hindsight we see that his visits into Hogsmead nothing bad happened, well besides the whole Draco thing and all, but at the time we didn't know the Black wasn't after him at all. 
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2005, 05:19:18 PM »

Of course they would have to get a permission slip signed, if something happened to them they school would be held accountable. I really think Dumbledore has better things to worry about than lawsuits.

And, just like everyone above me has said, CRAZED MURDERER ON THE LOOSE! Probably not a good time for the teachers to let the 13 year old boy he's supposedly after go running around a wizarding village, especially without any form of consent from the adults responsible for him. Can you say child endangerment suit?
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2005, 09:48:44 PM »

*amused*  Of course, I can see how a thirteen-year-old like Harry or Ron might not think it was fair.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2005, 07:52:40 PM »

I don't understand how Dumbledore could let Harry go even after Sirius gives him permission. If something happened to him the school would still be held accountable because his legal guardians didn't give their consent. If something were to happen to him they couldn't very well say "Well we got permission from his godfather, you know the one that's wanted for blowing up a man in the middle of the street full of muggles." Sure that's exaggerating, but still it's not entirely legal, the authorities wouldn't be happy. :police: It's great for Harry, Hermione, and Ron, but it's risky.

Not that the Dursley's would ever place blame on the school for something happening to Harry, they'd be much to busy celebrating.
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2005, 09:15:15 AM »

Technically, Sirius is more of Harry's guardian than the Dirsley's. The only reason why he couldn't stay with him, was because he was in jail. So for him to sign the permission slips gives it more validity than if the Dirsley's signed it.  If someone has a Godparent they become the caretaker of the child(ren) if something happens to the parents. 
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2005, 09:40:23 AM »

Besides, who knows what a "legal" guardian is in the Harry Potter world.  I mean, the Dursleys' are Harry's legal guardians in the muggle world, but what would the magical world know or care about that?

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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2005, 10:48:20 AM »

Well, since Dumbledore *personally* dropped him off at their house....  ;)  But, yeah, I hadn't thought of it that way.  That brings up a very interesting legal question.  I wonder.  I'd imagine, what with a history of witch burnings and such, that wizards would generally consider wizarding law to trump Muggle law, wouldn't you?
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Re: hogsmeade fair or not
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2005, 12:53:11 PM »

I would think so, though I sort of got the impression that wizard law is more to protect the wizarding world from the muggle, rather than about all the pesky details like legal guardianship and all the other stuff Muggle law is involved in.
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