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Re:Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2004, 09:09:13 PM »

I agree with Heather (not just because she is my wife) - in the Order of the Phoenix, Umbridge mentions to Snape when she is berating him for not having Veritaserum available for her to use on Harry that Lucius Malfoy always spoke highly of him.  
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Re:Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2004, 02:31:01 PM »

A friend of mine mentioned an interesting idea.  I am not sure how I feel about it, but I wanted to throw it out there for discussion.

She suggested that perhaps the reason Dumbledore trusts Snape so much is that Dumbledore asked Snape to become a Death Eater to spy for him.  Snape accepted the charge to prove himself worthy.  

What do you think?
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Re:Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2004, 09:47:35 AM »

*shakes head* I don't think so. I mean, Snape came to Hogwarts full of black magic and anger, judging by the descriptions of him we get. It would cheapen the theme of redemption and trust, somehow. *struggles to find words* Uh, just, well, no. :)
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Re:Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2004, 02:32:44 PM »

I agree.  Unless Snape changed before joining the Death Eaters and then was asked by Dumbledore to spy for him (which certainly is a possibility, though remote), it isn't likely.
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Re:Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2004, 10:00:33 PM »

Yep, y'all are right.  Snape's character has to have a pivotal, self defining moment.  
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2004, 07:12:12 PM »

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Lucius Malfoy always spoke highly of him.

But why is that, I wonder?  After all, Dumbledore has vouched for Snape and told everyone that he was a double agent (that was in D's Pensieve in GoF). 

If Snape is telling Malfoy that he (Snape) was really just pretending to be a double agent for Dumbledore.....aw, crap, now I'm more confused.



On a side note, I wonder how Malfoy weasled (ferreted? ;)) out of getting arrested and serving time in Azkaban?  I suspect it had something to do with the exchange of Knuts and Galleons.....
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2004, 10:48:24 AM »

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I suspect it had something to do with the exchange of Knuts and Galleons.....

I'm quite sure that it had everything to do with that!
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2004, 06:54:25 PM »

Good question about Lucius, Susan (take 5 points)!  The impression that I have of Lucky Lucius Malfoy is that he only befriends those people whose friendship could benefit him somehow (powerful or wealthy people).  Snape does not appear to be wealthy, so power has to be what Lucius sees in him.  The question becomes - what type of power/what does Snape possess/know/have the ability to do that makes him attractive to Malfoy. 

Also, Malfoy would know that Dumbledore stood up for Snape during the Death Eater trials.  Malfoy abhors and loathes Dumbledore.  Dumbledore's support of Snape would tend, in my mind, to weigh against Snape in Malofy's eyes.  But yet, Malfoy speaks highly of Snape . . .

I am convinced that the Malfoy-Snape connection in critical to the double agent question.  I still stand by my earlier post that I think Snape uses his Legil. (can't spell it - won't even try) while interacting with Malfoy to get information for the Order.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2004, 01:59:03 PM »

Oooooh!  Good thoughts, everyone.  It hadn't really occurred to me to ponder it.  Is there any chance Snape could be... I don't know, *charming* Malfoy to get him to like him so much?  I guess that's a long shot... but I do, I really do wonder how he's gotten so much on Malfoy's good side.  Maybe he brews potions for him?  Hard ones that maybe he shouldn't?  Maybe Snape keeps Malfoy (somewhat) up to date on what's happening at Hogwarts that he can interfere with?
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2004, 08:17:24 AM »

Wasn't it Sirius, who'd been in Azkaban for 12 years and so out of touch, that said that Snape was Malfoy's lapdog?

Also, Malfoy might admire Snape for having "tricked" Dumbledore into believing him and standing up for him. After Voldemort was "defeated," everyone was rushing to defend his/her actions. He might have thought Snape was just being all clever in wiggling out of trouble.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2004, 03:43:15 PM »

Yes, it was Sirius who said it, but I assumed it was based on information that he had about Snape and Snape's activities for the Order that prompted the comment.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2004, 06:20:00 PM »

I always assumed that he was referring to 'Moody' in that part, and I also always thought that when LV says that one of the death eaters won't be coming back to them, he was referring to Snape, because he's now helping Dumbldore, and that he might have realized that when he was in Quirrel's body.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2004, 01:14:10 PM »

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What part are you referring to, here, Ro?
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2004, 01:29:49 PM »

when LV commented about having a faithful servant at Hogwarts
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2004, 03:20:09 PM »

Oh, right.  That's what I assumed he meant too.  Sorry.  Just got confused there for a moment.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2004, 06:53:50 PM »

Nice insight into Professor Snape's loyalties.

10 points to Susan and Cho, Mad, Ping and Ro
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2004, 12:14:25 AM »

... and to Heather, too!
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2004, 10:07:19 AM »

I am rereading POA at the moment and noticed something that I'm sure everyone already knew, but in case you didn't ...

In the scene in the Three Broomsticks where Harry first hears that Sirius Black murdered his parents, McGonagall says something like "Not very many people know that the Potters knew YKW was after them.  But Dumbledore had some useful spies who told him and he warned the Potters."  It would make good sense to me that Snape was one of those spies (if not the spy) who told Dumbledore that LV was after the Potters.  If so, wouldn't that make Snape and James Potter even (as far as attempts to save each other's lives)?  If this is true, too, that would give reason for Dumbledore to trust Snape so much:  he gave information that would save the life and family of the man whom he hated like nothing else.

Any thoughts?  Did I just state the totally obvious??
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2004, 01:20:26 PM »

Oooh, I love that idea, and it makes a lot of sense. However, Snape still isn't at peace with himself because he saves Harry in the first book.
However, I definetly think that would gain Dumbledore's trust.
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #79 on: September 24, 2004, 11:42:58 PM »

I don't think it would make them even because as useful as the information was, James still bit the dust in the end. If anything, it might just make Snape more determined to repay the debt, because James saved his life and he couldn't repay the favor.

Oh, and about Lucius: I think he claimed to have been put under the Imperius Curse. I vaguely remember reading that in the books - I'll see if I can find that passage ...
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2008, 03:12:01 PM »

Well, had to bring this back up - rather interesting to re-read this topic after finishing the whole thing... we were mighty close at times, well done!
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2008, 03:59:14 PM »

Wow - that was a great discussion.  Thanks for bringing that up again!
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Re: Snape: a double agent?
« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2008, 08:32:03 AM »

Yeah.  I just reread the entire series from beginning to end a couple of months ago, and then came back here to read all of our speculation threads.  Have to say I found some of our theories downright amusing and, at times, scarily on target. 
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